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Tuesday, March 01, 2005


Germans of the world, unite!

You have nothing to lose but your chains jobs!

Maybe one reason that the German economy is such a mess may be because when asked last year,

"Who was the best German in history?"

Karl Marx came in third (and was #1 in the East).


At 11:37 AM, Blogger Andy said...

I would put Marx up there too. To understand me try thinking of another.... after all there were great thinkers and artists and composers but history has judged pretty much all of them to be rabid Jew-haters or Volk obsessed racists. Not that this didnt apply to lots of people worldwide at the time but a lot of people would feel that its wrong to vote these people as best Germans ever. Who do you have left? Well Sport is there but that seems a bit weak to vote for Franz the Kaiser or Borris Becker. Politics is also scarred by the past. Perhaps we could go for Adenauer, Brandt or Kohl as 3 very significant leaders but again the best of all time? Well by the end i get a bit stuck on 2 people who have had a significant effect in the world but were not involved in Nazi ideology. They would be Marx and Einstein. Seeing as Einstein got the hell out it might be a bit wrong to give him the prize (although Berlin has been celebrating his work recently) and that does sort of leave you with Marx.

I could argue that Marx is actually quite a good choice from Germany. I believe he did make warnings about Germany´s rabid anti-Semitim and fascist tendancy in his time and also supported the USA in the defeat of slavery in the civil war and was a fan of Lincoln. He opposed slavery and prefered free labour:

"The present struggle between the South and North is, therefore, nothing but a struggle between two social systems, the system of slavery and the system of free labour. The struggle has broken out because the two systems can no longer live peacefully side by side on the North American continent. It can only be ended by the victory of one system or the other"

His works have influenced many both left and right and my guess is that he would strongly support the bold US foreign policy in Iraq and the ME and that the whole concept of this plan is influenced by his work, ideas and ideas based upon them. Dont judge him on a few nutty students who have never understood his work. Marx isnt about drinking Cafe Latte and shouting "Bushitler" as an alternative to real thought.

At 4:16 PM, Blogger Kosmopolit said...

Certainly someone whose principles are to blame for tens of millions of dead and hundreds of millions of enslaved should not be so honoured.

There are plenty of Germans such as Beethoven, J S Bach, Immanuel Kant, Brahms, Goethe, Schopenhauer, Fredrick II, Duerer, Humboldt, and many others whose names are not stained in blood.

Marx, as well as a crackpot philosopher, was a rabid anti-Semite himself.

From his monograph, "The Russian Loan" (1856): "So we find that behind every tyrant stands a Jew just as there is a Jesuit behind every Pope. Truly, the lusts of the oppressors would be hopeless and the possibility of war unimaginable if it were not for an army of Jesuits to throttle thought and a handful of Jews to pick pockets..."

He nicknamed Ferdinand Lassalle, the founder of a Social Democrat party, who had curly-hair the “Jewish n*****.”

There are hundreds of similar anti-Semitic quotes in his works. Also plenty of Volk-obsessed examples, primarily looking down upon Poles, Czechs, etc.

At 7:12 PM, Blogger Andy said...

NO you are very correct, thanks for your swift and well thought out reply. I think your attacks on Marx are very justified although i was merely try to defend how, however wrongly, the German populace do not consider this when they think of Marx and subsequently vote for him. I agree with your points and perhaps i myself have too naively disconnected Marxist theory, and the influence that they have had on the understandings of modern economic theory and practice today, and the consequences that they had when people tried to put this theory into consequential revolutiuonary practice...

Greetings from Berlin.

At 8:26 PM, Blogger Kosmopolit said...


I understand the point you made and I thank you for the thoughtful give-and-take.

Please continue visiting NoonShadows.


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